Discussion between Krishna and Garuda on Knowledge ||11||

1-2Sri Krishna said: -Lord Vishnu, the primeval Being, slept in the Cosmic waters for full one thousand years. Lakshmi served as a couch of water, O bird, and Vidya as the air propelling water into waves.
3The same Goddess pervaded the embryonic waters in the form of darkness (Tamas). In the embryonic waters there was nothing else.
4-5O best of birds, Lakshmi praised Hari in the embryonic waters. Prakriti assumed the forms of Lakshmi and Prithivi. She slept with Hari and praised the lord in the Cosmic waters with the Mantras: O god Narayana, I offer my homage to you. Please attend to my entreaties.
6O blessed one, please remove my illusion. Confer liberation to the worthy. The primordial Prakriti is twofold: Para and Apara.
7Inferior to Prakrti is Brahmans; The fair-faced Uma is inferior to Brahmans. Saci, the consort of Indra, is inferior to her. The three Prakriti, the primordial nature.
8O Hari, we do not beg of you for the removal of the three. In every man there exist two Prakritis.
9-10One is eternal and unborn, the other is wrapped up by Tamas. The two are popularly known as Ajas, the elder and Aja the younger. One awards pleasure and pain, the other awards only pain.
11Those worthy of liberation are blessed to share knowledge and supremacy. Prakriti that wards off knowledge and supremacy is named dark-complexioned.
12The Apara Prakriti is Paramacchadika, since it covers the Self from the vision of the Supreme Self.
13Such a wretched tamasic Prakriti abides in human beings, O bird, she does not abide in Brahmana.
14She assumes the role of a Pisacika for the individual struggling for release. I am the propeller of the two (Para and Apara).
15O lord Vishnu O blissful one, that which envelops the Gunas is the most beneficial.
16O sovereign lord, O supreme god, you confer liberation to your devotees after deserting the wicked Prakriti that envelops the universe all round. She envelops all of us who are ever transmigrating.
17Since she is eternal, her removal becomes a necessity. O auspicious lord, accept my entreaties, drive her away from me.
18Lord Hari, though always wakeful, plays the role of one who has just wakened from sleep. It is just to test the ignorant.
19Out of his navel there grew up a golden lotus which became the substratum of the world. The lotus was constituted of matter, of which the earth was the presiding deity.
20It was as illuminating as the eternal solar deity. Vishnu whose nature is consciousness and bliss was surely distinct from it.
21Those who think that Vishnu is identical with Prakriti go to inferior regions, as also those who are associated with these.
22-23O lord of birds, the phenomenon can be explained by the analogy of a diadem. Diadems are twofold: identical and non-identical. As a matter of illustration, they are assumed to be identical. Intact, they are not identical, O lord of birds.
24He created the universe, divided into several regions and inhabited the people therein. During the period of dissolution, the lord alone exists taking rest which the learned declare to be a sort of sleep.
25O lord of birds, with the dissolution of the Universe the lord is not affected. Brahma and Vayu do not perish ever.
26Knowledge of the Supreme lord is circumscribed by condition as the water for washing the feet. When the organs of senses stop to work it is called ‘sleep’.
27O lord of birds, Brahma and Vayu are eternal. How can it be said that they are not dissolved at dissolution?
28O lord of birds, Brahma and Vayu are not the real entities. The sub-conscious state Supti is similar to another subconscious state named dream (Svapna).
29-30aThis state is metaphorically applied to Brahma. Hence, 0 lord of birds, the existence of Brahma, and Vayu should not be taken for granted. Those who realize this fact are forever blessed with wealth as the merit of penance.
30bGaruda said: -The notion of Supti is caused by ignorance. Supti is not actual.
31-32O lord, if there is a cause, there can be effect. There can be no effect without a cause. It you base your arguments on this statement, then O blessed one, there being no cause how could Brahma suffer from fear. Or assuming that Brahma suffers from fear, can we lose anything from this assumption.
33Thus addressed, the lord said in reply. Fear is caused by ignorance. Thus, the causal theory becomes applicable in regard to Brahma.
34-35How do not admit ignorance to be the cause of fear or pleasure then how could there ever be a feeling of fear or pleasure. Hence, whatever feeling of fear or pleasure inspires the devotee is caused by ignorance.
36If fear or pleasure are caused by ignorance, then there should be no actual fear or pleasure, both being the results of ignorance O lord, then how is it that the seeker of the truth is extremely devoted to the lord.
37On hearing the words of Garudaa, lord Krishna said in reply. O wise one, the fear is assumed, it is not actual.
38It is assumed just for the pleasure of the lord. Fear etc., are, in fact, not real.
39Pot him who has attained the fruits of his activities no sorrow is caused by ignorance. How can there be a sorrow in the lord?
40By the command of the lord the devotee assumes fear. The lord is pleased thereby. Intact, the fear never enters in him.
41Brahma observes all this. But this does not prove that ignorance (as a cause) is existent in Brahma. 0 lord of birds, Brahma is never found to be sorrowful.
42If he makes no attempt to realize Brahma and obtain pleasure thereby, Brahma appears to be distressed just for deluding the ignorant.
43The knowledge of Brahma comes to the seeker according to his power of receptivity.
44The manifestation of the unmanifest knowledge and the acquirement thereof is called the visibility of knowledge Jnana.
45Hence, the supreme lord being knowledge itself there is no scope of ignorance. The four-faced Brahma was evolved out of a golden lotus from the navel of Vishnu.
46-47He was endowed with the power of reflection. He reflected to himself: “Will or desire has been created, for deluding the ignorance and propitiating the lord, out of knowledge itself, not from ignorance. Lord Brahma queried himself: “Who has created me.”
48For an answer to this query Brahma entered the lotus-stalk.